Confused - Upgrade to a Surf Ski or Kayak?

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13 years 10 months ago #6021 by bigrod
Hi, I am looking for help and reading the net sites am only getting more confused so am looking for guidance from your experience.

I am looking at making the move up from my plastic kayak (Escape from Q-Kayaks) and invest in something serious. Looking at the different kyaks available I seem to have to make a difficult choice. I love to paddle fast and ride the swell, and a ski would suit this perfectly. I also like to rest & take in the view, and a sea kayak seems better for this. I am not looking at competing or doing long expeditions as I can only get to paddle 3 to 4 times a month.

I only paddle in the ocean off Safety Bay (Rockingham) where there is choppy 1-3 foot waves with bigger swell further out, and based on the fact that my Kyak is currently 75cm wide, stability is going to be my major issue. I want to be able to paddle alone so having a very light ski/kayak that I can lug to the beach and load on a car would also be a requirement.

I am 6ft3 and weigh just over 100kg. Yesterday I tried a Finn Molokai and only made it about 30 foot before falling out. Even in shallow flat water, I found the ski very hard to paddle.

Anything you can suggest would be appreciated.

Thanks

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13 years 10 months ago - 13 years 10 months ago #6022 by Dicko
Try the Finn endorfin. More stable, still fun and easy to remount. Pick them up second hand and good resale.
Last edit: 13 years 10 months ago by Dicko. Reason: crappy grammar

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13 years 10 months ago #6026 by red_pepper
Perhaps a cross-over would suit you better. Look at the Think Fit and the Epic V-8. The Think Fit incorporates a surf ski cockpit into a kayak-style platform. At 20" wide and 17' long, it performs quite well while still having a decent measure of stability (and a huge amount of secondary stability), and weighs only 34 lbs in fiberglass/28 lbs in Kevlar. And if you do fall out, you can reenter, pull the drain plug, and be on your way like you would most skis. Plus you have a hatch for storing gear.

I haven't tried the Epic V-8, but as a surf ski based on the Epic 18X Sport kayak, it should have a good combination of speed and stability. I've heard it surfs quite well, and weight appears to be comparable to the Fit.

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13 years 10 months ago #6030 by Rightarmbad
I had a quick go on a V8 yesterday.
It has a very wide bucket and I actually felt less stable on it for the first couple of minutes than my V10 which I had just got out of.

It feels to have huge volume.
I was cutting turns on the jet ski wakes that I could only dream of in my own boat.

Even though the hull is meant to be almost identical to a 18X, It was a completely different beast in the real world.
Maybe the seating position is a different height or fore aft balance?

Is certainly something that almost anybody could get on and head into complicated water.
I'd rather a narrower bucket though.
Maybe it comes in two configurations like the sport?

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13 years 10 months ago #6036 by bepe
I love my endorfinn. You can drag it on the beach if you choose. Forgiving most of the time. Not very expensive. I raced it as such and can do 8km in just under an hour and I am not superman.
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13 years 10 months ago #6038 by Scott S
Replied by Scott S on topic Re:Confused - Upgrade to a Surf Ski or Kayak?
Don't let falling off the first time put you off a specific ski.

I have had an Endorfinn for 5 months now and love it. With no prior paddling experience I fell in with my first ever paddle stroke. There was plenty of brace strokes initially but I have only had 3 unexpected swims (not counting surf entry and exits).

I am a similar size to you at 6 ft and 100 kg and usually paddle on Moreton Bay with a 1-2 ft chop. I am comfortable to stop and take photos and rarely use a brace stroke now. This increased confidence allows you to work on paddle technique and thus speed.

Paddle speed on the Endorfinn for me started averaging 7 km/hr and on a very good day is now up to 9.5 km/hr.

For versatility it will also handle surf entry and exits. I am starting to get a little Fiberglass envy though.

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13 years 10 months ago #6039 by Dicko
Fibreglass envy. Seek help now. It will only get worse.

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13 years 10 months ago #6040 by bigrod
Thanks guys for all the suggestions. I have booked a trial of an Epic V8 for next weekend so will let you know how it goes.

By the way, has anyone heard of the Apollo XI and whether it is a good ski?

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